Funnest PVP Build

Hokay, I think I've come to realise that on the whole, there's no single build in D2 that can handle anything. There's always counters and bad matchups... More importantly, I've realised that while the bad matchups can be reduced and countered by hybridizing the build, a hybrid is kinda like a swiss army knife: it can do many, many things, but try to kill a bear with it and you're in trouble.

Point is, I realised I should select a character that amuses me and stick with it. Seeing as how I've played a lotta fun builds that's no easy task, so I'm gonna troll the forums to see what comes up.

The criteria: the build should have good replayability, either through being hard to master like a WWsin/BvC/mage/curse-heavy nec, or just being exilirating/amusing like a charger. Preferably, it shouldn't be too common (yawn, enigma/hoto/mara hammernub) but I'm not going to harry you on that.

In short, what's the must fun you've had PvPing in D2?|||Haven't played pvp that much.. but I have made a pvp pala that uses an eBOTD archon staff. Does very nice damage and I built it in such a way that it can kill most sorcs (there are of course the godly exceptions).|||Nothing more amusing then seeing so and so slain by you 20 seconds after you lay an invisible hammer and they run into it and flip. Also, what GG's a desynch hdin?? A better desynch hdin is about it, so increase your skill level and desynch hdin rapes.

iMC |||melee sorc , ive almost finished building mine, and already have a great time dueling

you get props from everybody , and it dishes out some high a*$ damage|||Any effective builds that can be even more effective with skills, like Mage, T/V, BvC, WW/Trap/Kicksin, etc. etc.|||i just completed a fully synergized wof trap sin with ww/ kick option. it works very nicely even though im not finished and with gear switches i have a couple different options on how i duel. i usually dont get bored with her and she does very decent in pubs.

this build is probably one of the cheaper to build as well since pally and barb items have gone crazy high in prices recently.|||My funnest PvP builds?

My LLD Zealot (Level 18 and OWNS!)

My Ex-Trapper (Level 78 and OWNED!)

My Ex-Charger (LEvel 76 and OWNED!)

Reason for Trapper and Charger being deleted; Trapper was messed up with stat points and I never got round to remaking.

Charger caused way too much lag, I could charge into someone then poof back in town, I could charge into town and poof back being WW'ed, I could DIE in town then go find my body out in the blood Moor, it was so ***... 22k with a BOTD CB was OWNAGE though... If I had War Pike it would of been even better.

Also don't take my opinions seriously, experiment and see what you like, I hear Javazons are pretty decent and fun. Good luck with whatever you make and I hope to hear from you soon. :P

~Phil|||I don't know. Killing waaaay too many people at once with a desynch Hammerdin was kind of boring for me. BvC is the funniest for me.|||auradin is funniest ive tried, kicksin didnt work out so good, barb works fine but not as fun as aura

but the funniest pvp build HAS TO BE http://forums.diabloii.net/showthrea...t=fuzzy+dodger

how could it not be this???|||Nothing more funny then punching a barb in the face with a sorc and seeing him die in 1-3 hits. Or teleing behind a fb sorc and killing her with a single punch. Also nothing more humiliating then killing any char with a meleesorc.

I been playing 1 a long time and yes you grow better with it after time.

Already mentioned is my fuzzydodger guide, although the longer dodge animation can get quite annoying vs any spamchar, ranging from fb sorc to trapsins. If you would make her pure for duelling barbs some duels can take up to 10 minutes. If you get really high-end equip/charms and enough frw, prebuff, absorb equip etc this will be a pretty powerfull allround dueller vs all chars except smiters, windies. Don't start it if you ain't rich. Fact is you only walk up to people and smack them in their face, so the replayability only lies in the uniqueness of the build.

A build that's hard to master but if you master it can get pretty good is a firedruid (fissure/volcano/armageddon). unless people are going to absorb you wich is quite easily done. It's 1 of the builds with best replayability since you really will have to learn to deal with all the timers and make every hit count. It's also funny for the towntard invisible fissures....

Xenons novaguide is also pretty funny. It really kills nice until you run into people that stack enough res or 95% es sorcs, or good cyclone druids.

I also looked with interest at the sidewinder build (amazon), although i never tried it.

mal'd shield / helmet?

could it possibly bear the attack of a pnb necro in a duel?!|||No, Mal-ed Items on you Won't give you "Visible" Help from Magic Attacks like Bone Spirit or Blessed Hammer, sorry. Try to Out-Damage them.|||At best you're reducing the damage you take by 49 points, which is maybe about 6-7% of a good Bone Spirit hit, much less for Blessed Hammer. You would be better off crafting a safety shield and hoping for 10% magic resistance.|||Quote:








At best you're reducing the damage you take by 49 points, which is maybe about 6-7% of a good Bone Spirit hit, much less for Blessed Hammer. You would be better off crafting a safety shield and hoping for 10% magic resistance.




Which is still ~nothing signifficant.

need pvp advice

ok i have gotten back into diablo again and have made some pvm builds and now i want to do some pvp. i never really got into the whole pvp area but i tried it got my butt kicked but still into it. the question i have is what pvp build should i make.

i want to make something that wont be hard to get the gear for but will also stand a good fight in the public duel games. i was thinking about ethier a bone necro or a zealer. yes i know a zealer in pvp what am i thinking but i think it can be done and i dont want to take the safe bet and make a smiter like everyone else.

so if anyone could hook me up with good gear info for both and which would i should tryout it be cool. ty |||make a hammerdin.|||Quote:








make a hammerdin.




Probably the PvP'er that will give you the most for the investment. You should however be prepared for all the other hammerdins... which there are alot of

A bone necro needs more gear to be as effective, a zealot is dwafed by most smiters... and you need more gear to be effective.

Otherwise a blizzard sorc 'd do well.|||Or a "Town Guard" Grizzly Summoning Druid. No risk, only positive emotions. ^|||Quote:








Or a "Town Guard" Grizzly Summoning Druid. No risk, only positive emotions. ^




Yeah right, all the negative remarks from people I kill with my bear were annoying. But most of the time they're in shock and awe by the mad damage this mere summon can deal.

Hehe, still funny to see a smiter rape himself more than once from your bramble/edge combo|||Make an auradin. All you do is run around and deal damage. rofl|||I'd suggest you go with a class that you already enjoy playing. if you're a sorc fanatic, build a PvP blizz sork. if you really enjoy assassins, build a trapper or a hybrid'sin.

seeing as you apparantly already have a like for Bonermancers or Smiters, build one of those.


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make a hammerdin.




go and die a horrible, painful death.

the last thing battle.net needs is another blasted hammerdin.|||As much as I love Zealots, they're ridiculously expensive to make viable for pub dueling, let alone melee dueling. You're going to need a mass amount of 3/20/20's, and even the slightest difference in percentages on gear can cost you double. Sure there are budget builds, but that's just it, you get what you pay for.

Necros are the same way, they're the prime class that stands out in my mind as "needs lvl 99, needs full inventory of perfect charms"

If you want easy to play, easy to kill other people with, pick hammerdin or smiter. Both have easy to acquire gear and are less dependent upon charms than anything else. Shoot, I would kill people just for merc money on my cheap rushing paladin.|||Go with blizz sorc.

fun, uncommon and solid.

Is this a good PVP Zealot Build?

SKILLS are as follows:

Zeal-20

HolyShield-20

Sacrifice-20

Fanat-20

And others into pre-requisites

STATS are as follow:

Str-Gear

Dex-Base 75

Vit-Base around 450

Energy-Nadda

Now here are the items:

Wep-PB Grief

Gloves-P Dracs

Belt-P Dungos

Armor-Crow Caw with a 40/15

Helm-CoA with 2x 40/15's

Shield-P Eexile

Boots-Gores

Ammy-HighLords

Charms-P anni, P ptorch, 37x 3/20/20's



I'd appreciate any feedback about this build, made it myself without any advice.

-Weed|||Quote:








I'd appreciate any feedback about this build, made it myself without any advice.

-Weed




Looks awfully familiar though . A fanatic zealot (or 1pt smiter as the KingDryland guide) is a very common build for PvM.

Only original thing, that caught my eye is the Crow Caw - I'm assuming for the OW.

Wouldn't know is this is any good for PvP, but my guess would be 'negatory'. Charge and hammers must be popular for a reason, no?|||There is a PvP zealot guide by Soutwood in the guidestickie|||Without tele...ah shall we say certain matchups will be very difficult. |||Quote:








Without tele...ah shall we say certain matchups will be very difficult.






zealot with enigma? are you kidding??|||Quote:








zealot with enigma? are you kidding??




no, he's not kidding. tele-smite is a gg tactic, especially against WW users, why should tele-zeal be any different (except for hte whole blockable attack" thing)

tele-zealots can dish up insane, phreakish amounts of damage when built properly. they'll wtfpwn most casters and even the occasional BvC.|||If tele smite is gg... then telezeal is are more gg. Majority of casters do not have block so one-two telezeal will always finish off an opponent. it keeps opponent in block.

Enigma

Griefz, grief pb

Coa x2 ber

Arach/dungo/tgods

Spirit in elite paladin shield

Some crafted blood gloves

Maras/highlords

Gores/tri res boots

bk ring/wisp/dwarf/raven

ar/life/max charms/torch/anni

This is zeal vs all

If you are looking for zeal vs zeal then you have to do fort and whatever which is honestly as boring as bvb.

Non tele zeal is limited and will have trouble killing.|||Quote:








no, he's not kidding. tele-smite is a gg tactic, especially against WW users, why should tele-zeal be any different (except for hte whole blockable attack" thing)

tele-zealots can dish up insane, phreakish amounts of damage when built properly. they'll wtfpwn most casters and even the occasional BvC.




this is a joke, charge kills all caster why waste all good stats u could get from other armors for a teleport, zealot with enigma is much weaker than the one with forty, stone or smth else..|||That defense is not much use vs casters... You could always get both, the Fortitude vs other melee and Enigma to bust out ranged attackers.|||Quote:








this is a joke, charge kills all caster why waste all good stats u could get from other armors for a teleport, zealot with enigma is much weaker than the one with forty, stone or smth else..




No, he isn't joking; tele-zeal really is better.

Due to Engima's lack of ED, the zeal will of course be weaker. But, Enigma gives him a chance in duels.

the hack'tards have a new toy....

NOTE: I am NOT reccomending that anyone actually use this piece of downloaded arse'tardery, i'm just pointing out it exists and it's something to keep an eye out for.

it seems the retarded losers who rely on their downloaded idiocy to "win" in PvP games have sunk to an all time new low.

wheeeeeee!

they can now Far Cast Blessed Hammers.

yup, that's right. they don't "need" to desynch and 2-frame-hax-cast-time cheese anymore, thay can nail you with hammers from three screens away and the first inkling you'll get is being put into hit-recovery, taking massive damage.

the dude who did this to me the other night at least had the decency to admit what he was doing. i've run into it before, but wasn't sure if it was simple desynch that was nailing me, this time, i could tell something was drastically amiss (even more amiss than his hacked cast rate would indicate).

well, here's hoping blizz will fix the damn farcast bug with the 1.13 patch.

at least FC-Zons could be countered with a simple t-gods+dwarfstar or wisp combination, but there ain't nothing you can do to protect yourself from this particular piece of idiocy.|||you're an idiot, he was desyncing|||no, he wasn't "just" desynching. it kind of looks like desynch, but isn't. it's FC Hammarz hack'tardery. afaik: it's still a "private" hack, but it won't be long before every JSP retard is packing it.

like i said, he did it to me a couple of times before i was certain what was going on.|||Quote:








you're an idiot, he was desyncing




And you're rather impolite for no reason...

Back on topic - I find it hard to believe that they are farcasting hammers. I haven't played in a while so can't say if anything like that is happening in Europe as well.

Are you absolutely sure it wasn't a combination of lag and desynching?|||Quote:








Are you absolutely sure it wasn't a combination of lag and desynching?




yes. i'm 100% positive.

i've been duelling against desynching hammerdins for a good long while now and i'm reasonably good at predicting and countering desynching hammerdins (well, you HAVE to get good at predicting and countering desynching hammerdins if you want to pub PvP these days)

it certainly feels like desynch the first time you encounter it, but it isn't. once you get nailed by it a couple of times, you sense something is terribly, terribly wrong.

for a start, i was in full whirl, through an area free of hammers and got nailed.

secondly, i'd already walloped him 4-0 before he turned this particular hack on. he already had the 2-frame-hacked-up-cast-rate and was of the "i can telebomb anyone coz i'm a hack-up-hammerdin" mindset. he had no idea how to duel a barb with a hammy. then he nailed me twice without taking any damage.

the second time, i could see hiim sitting still just off my screen. i was in full whirl, got nailed and then he appeared at my corpse with the Teleport animation around him.

i'd kept my eye on my ping and it didn't spike during the "duel".

i've encountered this before, but thought it was simple lag/desynch. this time A: he admitted it and B: i really, really noticed something was more amiss than usual.

i wouldn't have posted this if i wasn't sure about it. i hope my reputation at this site would confirm that.|||Its called desync. Properly done, a character can stand directly on top of you and cast spells without even being on your minimap, just by desyncing hard (vigor + charge). Your ping will not affect this, this is a byproduct of the incorrect velocity data being used by the dead reckoning employed by d2 to deal with network latency.

A) The paladin was pulling your leg, like telling you that he was using "kill hacks" that made you instantly drop dead, and getting a good chuckle at your souper cereal responses

B) There is no such thing as farcasting hammers. Hammers are a projectile which is always spawned at the point of the caster, whereas charged strike is the spell charged bolt cast at the point of the target, which is completely removed from the caster, and hence tricking the game into thinking you are attacking, even at a range, causes the bolts to appear disconnected from the player. Normal projectile spells obviously cannot be disconnected from their caster. The paladin was either standing directly on top of you casting, or you ran into an invisible field of hammers (caused by projectiles spawned while hero is off your minimap range), and died.



Your reputation at this site means absolutely nothing next to what is possible and what is not possible in diablo 2's architecture, or to me.|||Quote:








Its called desync.




i know what desynch is. i've been encountering and using it for years.

this was NOT simple desynch.

i stand by what i have said and i don't give a toss if you believe me or not.|||Thats the special brand of desync called "Done properly"

Glad you could encounter it, but unfortunately, your 'close encounter of the 3rd kind' does not create the existence of hacks which violate the basic architecture of the diablo 2 engine, which makes things like that impossible on the serverside.|||Quote:








Thats the special brand of desync called "Done properly"

Glad you could encounter it, but unfortunately, your 'close encounter of the 3rd kind' does not create the existence of hacks which violate the basic architecture of the diablo 2 engine, which makes things like that impossible on the serverside.




Please do say why you are 100% sure it cannot be done at all costs. I'm talking tech explanation here. (I found youre explanation above not sufficiant)

I'm on the fence, I'd have to see it to believe it, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.|||Quote:








you're an idiot, he was desyncing




you love to use this word, not only on this forum...

welcome to the forum

pvp pally help

ok i want to make a pvp zealer yes i said zealer and i know what am i thinking but i want to try it. i think it could be done and also i want to different and not go with a smiter or hammerdin. so if someone can hook me up with some gear info for pvp it would be great.|||Start with this guide, a little old but all the basics are there.|||thanks for the guide i think i got it now but the only thing that i am not sure of is what weapon to use.

botd or greif?

zerker axe or phase blade?|||Grief is better than BotD in this case, and it's generally advised to use a Zerker in PvP for the extra range (range 3 vs range 2 of the PB). That topic has been discussed a number of times already, I'll give you some links so you can make up your own mind: here there's a poll to choose the better zealot weapon, and includes a post by Ancalagon suggesting a Death eth Zerker as an option. Similar threads here and here. Hope this helps

Best BM Pub game pvper

I'm tired of people BMing me all the time in pubs, I need a BM pub pvper...

What is THE most BM pvp character possible to build? I'm thinking Sorb V/T or Sorb CS zon or Sorb Wind Druid.

Any ideas?|||Screw Sorb aspect, please. Not every Attack is Elemental. I would say Bonemancer or Venomancer with some Summons. You choose. Both are very Viable and both are Perfect BMers.|||TG Summon Druid.|||Quote:








TG Summon Druid.




What is TG?|||Quote:








What is TG?




town guarding|||Quote:








town guarding




Any town-guarding is rather pussy than BM. Not to talk it can be avoided by using TPs and WPs.|||unfortunatly, 99% of these BM retards are also hacked up the wazoo.

so, unless you're prepared to join them in the eternal damnation and hellfire which surely awaits them in the great hereafter, unfortunatly it's almost impossible to make a character that can BM everybody.

if you're looking for a character that can cope with the bulk of BM'tards, i'd suggest a well built Necro, Windy or BvC.

however: none of them are cheap.|||Figures. I have most of the gear for my Necro, just have to lvl him for the gear.

I've thought of making a windy.. With the minion stack etc they must be pretty annoying to kill.

BvC, for some reason I'm terrible at barbs.. lol|||Mage.

but seriously **** all. just make what u think is most fun and with respect to bm.

i wanted to make windy b.c they were top notch pvp but it never got going and after thinking about the enjoyment part,

he is just a lvl 88 mule right now.


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unfortunatly, 99% of these BM retards are also hacked up the wazoo.

so, unless you're prepared to join them in the eternal damnation and hellfire which surely awaits them in the great hereafter, unfortunatly it's almost impossible to make a character that can BM everybody.

if you're looking for a character that can cope with the bulk of BM'tards, i'd suggest a well built Necro, Windy or BvC.

however: none of them are cheap.




what sort of hacks they use?

even with little pvp skills and no hacks, i usually have over 70% winning rate with my liberator in pub. simple desynch kills most barbs, smiters, hdins and some droods. zons usually die to dr, stack and hf/charge combo.

so i don't think 99% of them use performance enhancing hacks(may be u were just exaggerating to get u r point across)|||Quote:








Mage.

but seriously **** all. just make what u think is most fun and with respect to bm.

i wanted to make windy b.c they were top notch pvp but it never got going and after thinking about the enjoyment part,

he is just a lvl 88 mule right now.



what sort of hacks they use?

even with little pvp skills and no hacks, i usually have over 70% winning rate with my liberator in pub. simple desynch kills most barbs, smiters, hdins and some droods. zons usually die to dr, stack and hf/charge combo.

so i don't think 99% of them use performance enhancing hacks(may be u were just exaggerating to get u r point across)




Only hack I've ever run into was FC. I just left game.. lol



What is a liberator? I was thinking of making a V/T myself