I planned on going ES at first, then changed my mind, and now I just don't know.|||I myself prefer max block max dmg, so no es. This makes you more vulnerable to casters then the ES-sorc. However, you do Massive dmg. This gives very fast duels, either you winning fast, or get caught fast.
The ES sorc is way more durable, but if you want 95%es (or close) youre dmg will be gimped alot.
It's a choice between survival and dmg, (in a way) comparable to the glasscanon bowazon and vita zon.|||ES - more survivability,
less damage (except maybe in the case of fire tree)
not so hard pressed on getting max resists, DR, block,
gear somewhat more expensive
may require some ES prebuffing (can be considered BM on some realms)
Vita - less survivability (low returns on life/pt on a sorc, always have low HP)
more damage (Light or Blizz)
require max res, max block, max DR (pure vita usually always fail in SvA)
gear somewhat less expensive
no ES prebuffing
(I choose Vita MB Blizzard as my dueler, and they do great overall)|||My ghost loved es sorcs, as I'm sure bvcs, bvas, poison necros... etc It does have its survivability, but on the flipside the lack of vit can cause a great deal of pain.|||Quote:
My ghost loved es sorcs, as I'm sure bvcs, bvas, poison necros... etc It does have its survivability, but on the flipside the lack of vit can cause a great deal of pain.
Well poison and open wounds is what totally ruins ES sorcs (OW also ruins vita tbh, vita builds dont have that much more life anyway) , so really thats not a good standing comparison point for pure ES vs pure vita builds. In short, most melee / poison builds are a bane to sorcs in general.
Apart from poison and OW, ES can tank *much more* than a vita build from the remaining 5 elements, with an added benefit of 90% of attacks hardly sending the sorc into fhr, assuming mana pool is still up and sorc has decent resists. (If you play lots of PvP, you know how important fhr is, especially to a sorc).
Overall, and generally speaking, I would say its an order of ES block > ES > vita block > vita for an SvA build.|||What kind of damage difference are we looking at with an ES block vs a vita block build?
edit -- MB vita build doesn't even get lvl 1 ES or prebuff ES?|||The point with es is that you should max telekinesis before using it. An unsynergised es will take higher dmg then a vita build. With every point into telekinesis, the dmg taken decreases. I think it's at 17 points put in telekinesis that the dmg to your manapool is as high as it would be to youre health on a vita.
Maxed telekinesis is a must for an es sorc, so a vita block build does not get a prebuff ES. This gives you 19 less skillpoints to spend on cold skills (and blizz has 3synergies and cm= 100skills), without even a point in es. If you put 20 pts in es, that'll become 42 skillpoints, so only 3 out of 5 maxed cold skills.
The dmg depends on the gear used. My sorc hit 16-17k Dmg, and a lot of -res gear (maxed cm, 7 cold facets). She has low life, mb, 0%dr, max all res and massive dmg. This setup used nightwings, ormus, deaths fantom and a +20/-20 jmod.
I had a different setup, with doom (2skills -60%@) and spirit. This had visibly less dmg, but way more -res. I'm gonna make a es sorc right now.|||Quote:
What kind of damage difference are we looking at with an ES block vs a vita block build?
edit -- MB vita build doesn't even get lvl 1 ES or prebuff ES?
Dont know the exact numbers, but with ES builds you are leaving one synergy out so theres probably a loss of 2.5k damage. ES block will not only leave you with weaker damage, but also less mana to tank with. Its also hard to do whilst balancing fcr and fhr, especially on a light sorc (unless you want to MB with Spirit). ES block is better than all in terms of tanking and survivability only, but its not really well balanced. Better to go with an ES non block build with some dr.
Vita, as its name implies, means all remaining stat pts after any pumped into str go into vitality only. Which leaves you with little to no mana to support any ES you might have.
I have a MB vita blizz, damages are roughly 11-12k with my SS on and 15-16k with the Spirit on vs non melee / physical characters. Can reach up to 2800 life with good charms, gear and a full BO prebuff (using BKs, Arach, Maras, NWings, and COH).
FYI, there are also some builds which mix ES and vita, by going 3:1 life:mana or mana:life ratio (or even 50/50), but they are not easy to pull off. They also require really good and expensive gear, maxed res and 50% DR.
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The dmg depends on the gear used. My sorc hit 16-17k Dmg, and a lot of -res gear (maxed cm, 7 cold facets). She has low life, mb, 0%dr, max all res and massive dmg. This setup used nightwings, ormus, deaths fantom and a +20/-20 jmod.
I had a different setup, with doom (2skills -60%@) and spirit. This had visibly less dmg, but way more -res. I'm gonna make a es sorc right now.
Doom is really useless apart from the HF aura, because its really a net of -50 or less CR compared to Fathom, and you already dish out enough -res, making it either totally useless because (1) opponents are already at -100 with Fathom or (2) if they stack, they will aim to outstack your Doom anyway. You're not really gaining any damage with Doom over Fathom. Its very useful against non tele Zons however, really hampers their ias and frw.
I like your first setup (full damage one), you should be reaching 18K with JMOD and 16k with Spirit (17k? ... maybe you havent maxed all synergies?), but I'm wondering how did you reach max res? Mass resistance small charms?|||The es sorc i quickly built has 13-14k dmg with a 74es (memory prebuff). No pt put in es, maxed telekinesis/mastery/blizz/blast and spike. It used the same eq as the vita mb. Note however that this is on a priv server with perfect gear, so the real numbers will be far off. Also note that if you want dr and some possibility to sorb/higher fhr/stack, you'll have to give up a lot of dmg.
ancalagon, the doom actually works vs chars that have difficulty sorbing 50 cr extra, or just cba to do so. And about the 18k dmg: you can only get 18k with double soj (or a 3coldskill amulet), and it's not possible to hit 105fcr if you use 2 sojs (and +3coldskills doesn't spawn on crafts), while still using df, ormus and nightwings.|||Quote:
The es sorc i quickly built has 13-14k dmg with a 74es (memory prebuff). No pt put in es, maxed telekinesis/mastery/blizz/blast and spike. It used the same eq as the vita mb. Note however that this is on a priv server with perfect gear, so the real numbers will be far off. Also note that if you want dr and some possibility to sorb/higher fhr/stack, you'll have to give up a lot of dmg.
ancalagon, the doom actually works vs chars that have difficulty sorbing 50 cr extra, or just cba to do so. And about the 18k dmg: you can only get 18k with double soj (or a 3coldskill amulet), and it's not possible to hit 105fcr if you use 2 sojs (and +3coldskills doesn't spawn on crafts), while still using df, ormus and nightwings.
I know the private realm, I never managed to set it up well though :/
Anyway yeah you are right, I forgot that little detail, you need 2 sojs/bk's, a +3 ammy and a Snowclash to get 18k (I believe the actual number was 18500+). Which will lead to an unviable fcr breakpoint, unless you want to switch out NWings for a 3/20/2 x 5/5 circlet (really minimal loss over NW), keep Trangs Arach and get a 3/10fcr instead of 3/100 life ammy. Should still net more damage. Not really important to go so high though, my old vita mb was more than capable of killing every class with 16k Blizz (Spirit) and 11k (SS) switches.
I dont like using Doom that much as I dont have stash space for it tbh (using exactly all stash including cube) and its incredibly useful vs amas (not considered BM as such on most realms), but I dunno about that extra 50 cold -res / stack ... still doesnt convince me as being that useful over Fathom.
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