Sword BVC

[:1]Hello guys,

I've been playing for 1,5 months now, played 8 years ago before back in the days when 1.09 was only in plans.

My idea is simple - create a decent sword wielding bvc that can stand up to a pub duel challenge and go toe to toe with classic axe grief + beast barbarian.

Why do I want to stick with swords? Well, because I like swords. Seeing all barbs wearing same outfit is kinda lame, yes, zerkers have more range and damage than pb (which is kinda unrealistic in terms of range, one-handed axe has the same range as huge freaking colussus blade) and got beast runeword, but still, let's try and think outside of the box.

The main concern here is a weapon outfit. Here is where I need advice from bvc experts. Please, don't come up with "It ain't gonna work - use axe setup". Try to think creatively.

My ideas for the setup:

Main weapon is a Grief runeword, we can't be without it for sure.

1) Try to make Grief in sup colossus. Pros: damage comparable to zerker axe, big range. Cons: Super ultra expensive - to make a playable grief u gotta rroll 39-40 ias to reach ww 34 ias breakpoint, can take more than 6-7 Lo runes.

2) Grief + Last Wish. Pros: semi-expensive setup, damage from LW's might exceeding damage from fanatizm from Beast, looks cool. Cons: Same problem with range, LW's pb is a little short in reaching last ww's breakpoint.

3) Grief + Fury: Pros: somewhat inexpensive, can be done in 2 handed sword and thus reach the range we are needing, nice ar and -target's defence bonuses, reaches ww breakpoint. Cons: damage is still lower than with classic zerker's setup

4) + ebotd: big damage, range, speed, nice + attributes bonus, still lacks the power of fanatizm aura, more a pvm weapon

These are the most promissing setups, haven't tried them though as I am still somewhat poor in ladder. But I want to hear opinions about the idea. Maybe suggestion about second weapon that will make sword bvc able to match up axe bvc.|||Dual grief zweihanders and you still won't beat axe bvcs.|||Quote:








Dual grief zweihanders and you still won't beat axe bvcs.




Any way we can get more creative and come up with a viable alternative to boring axe setup?|||Quote:








Any way we can get more creative and come up with a viable alternative to boring axe setup?




Well dual griefs are some what viable. If there was better alternative to the normal axes, don't you think people would have figured it out by now?

Actually if i recall correct grief / grief out performs grief / beast if opponents have amplify damage on them. Normally grief / beast are better thought.|||Quote:








Well dual griefs are some what viable. If there was better alternative to the normal axes, don't you think people would have figured it out by now?

Actually if i recall correct grief / grief out performs grief / beast if opponents have amplify damage on them. Normally grief / beast are better thought.




I understand but we will need dual zweihanders or super expensive dual col blades to match zerkers range. Besides, is it okay to cast amplify damage in duels not being a necro? I mean I think it's okay to cast it from lacerators but casting it from charged items will be considered bad manners, won't it?|||Quote:








I understand but we will need dual zweihanders or super expensive dual col blades to match zerkers range. Besides, is it okay to cast amplify damage in duels not being a necro? I mean I think it's okay to cast it from lacerators but casting it from charged items will be considered bad manners, won't it?




Yes it will.

You'll have to be better than a standard bvc to beat them.|||I guess not much advice i can get here. I will try lw and grief and maybe if i find some random jmod or 3\20\20 charm i ll go for grief in cb.|||Quote:








I guess not much advice i can get here. I will try lw and grief and maybe if i find some random jmod or 3\20\20 charm i ll go for grief in cb.




I didn't feel the need to restate what ambid said, but I guess I will:

Go grief/grief. Zweihanders will work for now until you can afford a cb. Use dracs to get some open wounds, maybe even replace arach with an open wounds belt & use a 20fcr amulet to still hit 40fcr in most situations.

You're not getting a whole lot of advice because there isn't much wiggle room and a sword bvc is disadvantaged vs. an axe bvc. Like I said, to obtain a numberical advantage you have to plain have better gear. To get an advantage in actual combat, you need to be a better player than the other guy.|||Quote:








I didn't feel the need to restate what ambid said, but I guess I will:

Go grief/grief. Zweihanders will work for now until you can afford a cb. Use dracs to get some open wounds, maybe even replace arach with an open wounds belt & use a 20fcr amulet to still hit 40fcr in most situations.

You're not getting a whole lot of advice because there isn't much wiggle room and a sword bvc is disadvantaged vs. an axe bvc. Like I said, to obtain a numberical advantage you have to plain have better gear. To get an advantage in actual combat, you need to be a better player than the other guy.




The damage difference between zweihanders and cb is small, very small. Just use zweihanders all the way, they always hit the fastest ww breakpoint, so you don't need to worry about ias roll.

Stick to the normal bvc gear with your other items. Giving up highlords would be a big sacrifise, the deadly strike boosts your damage alot.

If you wanna use dracs, use it with 2x fcr rings, so you won't have to give up highlords. You can use fury if you really wanna bleed your opponent(es sorc/def necro).|||Quote:








The damage difference between zweihanders and cb is small, very small. Just use zweihanders all the way, they always hit the fastest ww breakpoint, so you don't need to worry about ias roll.

Stick to the normal bvc gear with your other items. Giving up highlords would be a big sacrifise, the deadly strike boosts your damage alot.

If you wanna use dracs, use it with 2x fcr rings, so you won't have to give up highlords. You can use fury if you really wanna bleed your opponent(es sorc/def necro).




Your advice > mine, but I meant for the fcr rings to be implied, and of course he *is* asking for ways to be better than axe bvcs so the advantage of really expensive cb griefs could make a difference if he can afford them. I mean... the damage difference is close to the difference between low and high grief rolls.

I'm not entirely sure what is meant by "go toe to toe with classic axe grief + beast barbarian." You can do the vs. casters part with either I'd imagine, but if you actually want to duel axe bvcs, small advantages can become very important.