Thursday, April 12, 2012

What's better against casters : WW Sin or WW Barb ?

[:1]WW Sin

Pros:

Claw block

Fade

Double source of damage (OW and Venom)

Cons:

Only 60% Block

Low Physical Damage

Low defense

Low AR

Slow run/walk since you won't be using BoS

Not very good at melee



WW Barb

Pros:

75% Block

High Def

High Life

Ok AR

Versatile, so he can be good at melee and vs casters

Cons:

Only one source of damage (physical)

Teleport doesn't get you right on top of caster

Slower attack than WW Sin

Keep in mind that both chars will have top equipment.

Maybe I forgot some pros/cons, so if you know of anymore, just post |||barbs = way more life (can hit 8k)

ww for barbs isnt slow it hits just as much and it has more range

the damage source is all physical which is btter since poison can easily be negated with antidotes while physical damage can only be reduced so much.. a barbs physical damage is overwealming to the point that it hurts even with max dr. 1k damage after pvp penalty counting deadly strike is scary.

edit: also the cons for your wwsins.. some are irrelavant. defence is of no use in caster killing and not much ar is needed to hit casters. (unless its a hammerdin)|||unless u have enigma for ur ww barb, getting to a caster is gonna be pretty difficult. i suggest ww sin with the tele kick. kickers usually kill all my sorcs easily. :lol:|||Quote:








unless u have enigma for ur ww barb, getting to a caster is gonna be pretty difficult. i suggest ww sin with the tele kick. kickers usually kill all my sorcs easily. :lol:




wwbarbs are expensive which is why most people dont make then. an enigma (preferabley breast enigma) is mandatory. so are 2 fcr rings with lots of mana and possibily arach or a nice caster belt with mana.|||WW barb all the way! Unless a sin focuses absolutely everything onto life, they'll be lucky to reach 3k. Barbs can withstand many hits from casters, and that alone is enough to trump the sin.

Now, I have to fix a few of your errors:

Only one source of damage (physical)

Wrong. Barbs easily reach huge poison damage from charms and can also use demon limb's enchant to give them very good fire damage as well.

Teleport doesn't get you right on top of caster

Actually, it often does. Against any caster who has a fairly low cast rate (therefore locked in one place to cast a spell) you will always get directly on top. Against any others it will usually get you close enough for a WW.

Slower attack than WW Sin

This one is WAY off. A Barbarian can easily reach as fast an attack as a sin (so long as that sin doesn't use BoS), and can dual wield ANY weapon. Unlike the sins, they can use BotD for the insane stat bonuses and damage, not to mention the final WW breakpoint.

...Now, sins do have their merits, but I believe that a good WW barb easily wins out against MOST casters.|||inu: yes it is true that barbs can get damage from psn but most barbs dont reccomend it (at least i dont) it can be easily negated and whenever you ww it resets the psn timer. also its over such a long period of time.. the caster will be long dead before the psn really starts to kick in

jusy my own opinion



dk~|||While you say assassins' can only get 60% Block, while that is true, they are also the only character that can block casters spells. . .(except for amazon I think. .meh I don't know) but it is 60% vs physical and spells|||Quote:








While you say assassins' can only get 60% Block, while that is true, they are also the only character that can block casters spells. . .(except for amazon I think. .meh I don't know) but it is 60% vs physical and spells




yep you are correct asg, zons dodge pretty much everything. maybe not a couple but most everything a sorc can throw at it. though a wwsin can block cold spells a barb makes that block up by having massive life and resist. as you can see im very bias towards wwbarbs.|||Quote:








wwbarbs are expensive which is why most people dont make then. an enigma (preferabley breast enigma) is mandatory. so are 2 fcr rings with lots of mana and possibily arach or a nice caster belt with mana.




y would ww barbs need a bp enigma when barbs need lots of defense and y would they need fcr and lots of mana?

maybe u r refering to the wwsin or caster? :scratch:|||Anti-caster barb needs some fcr to at least not have an extremely slow tele, mana is needed for ww+tele so a 80+mana caster ring would help, and you don't need defense vs casters.

Even then, I beat zealots pretty easily with low defense (18-20k) using dusk enigma, which is the best type if you want a middle ground between bvc and blocking+def (i.e. a pure bvc barb will have no block and use breastplate or mage enigma to keep base strength).

Also a barbs second source of dmg: OW = better than psn.

WW sins built right are also good casterkillers and just as expensive to be equally good as a well build bvc barb (check koda's PvP Ghostsin guide, its a pretty viable caster killer).

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